Do you support bringing light rail to the Sunshine Coast and how would you benefit?

by Project Administrator 22 Dec 2011, 1:35pm

We're interested in knowing why you support or do not support the introduction of light rail. Your thoughts are important and we're keen to hear your comments and ideas.

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Peekay Comment 1 6 Jan 2012, 4:08 PM

If light rail is not operating by 2025, the Sunshine Motorway, Nicklin Way and other major roads in the Sunshine Coast area will be "gridlocked" ie roads will be completely jammed with stationary motor vehicles as occurs on the Gateway Motorway between Bruce Highway and Gateway Bridge when collisions and roll overs occur on this section of road. The State Govt should also "fast track"(pardon the pun) commencement date for the CAMCOS rail project between Beerwah Station and Maroochydore.

trigger Comment 1.1 7 Feb 2012, 9:39 AM

From Trigger,

Peekay has said it all, we can see the gridlocks and stupid driveing now. And of course a bit of road rage.

Its all part of the planning which we do not see here. But this planning does happen in Singapore, Finland, Sweden and Denmark and probaly other enlightend countries that I have not been to.

Here it seems that getting all the people here and selling as many blocks as possible is the aim.

The infrastructure has to be in place to move the people. And the transport infrastucture has to efficent to get people to and from work. One just has to see all the cars parked by workers at the Caloundra hospital and U insurance by 8 am in the morning, they shpuld be able to go to work and home again by an efficent public transport like they do in Helsinki and other well planned places I have seen. Light rail is just part of what is needed

amp-qld Comment 2 6 Jan 2012, 4:24 PM

First up, I would say that I agree entirely that the Sunshine Coast needs a drastically improved public transport system based around line haul principles. Over the last 40 years, I have developed concepts for both light rail and busway systems on various continents.

Light rail is a very expensive and rigid form of rapid transit. The critical advantage is having its own right of way. Busways can provide all the advantages of light rail at a fraction of the cost if they have their own rights of way. Unfortunately, the Brisbane Busways have been built to standards that are more more…

 

Glenn Comment 2.1 7 Jan 2012, 1:31 PM

Hi AMP

Yes I agree with your comments. light rail / mono etc will have to be as fast and frequent as taking your own car. Also with in the same cost. I have travelled from Taipei to Kaohsiung in Taiwan, now they have the rail system on the money, 300km/hr. Anything we put in and rate payers cover the costs must be as fast as the bus/car system.

Light Rail 2020 Project Team Comment 2.2 Project Staff 10 Jan 2012, 8:57 AM

The pre-feasibility study work undertaken in Phase 1, which is expected to conclude in May 2012 will develop a shortlist of project scope and delivery options to be subjected to a full feasibility study in Phase 2. Alternative technology solutions, including bus options will be considered. This will include a bus rapid transit option utilising buses operating a separate corridor, similar to light rail options.

The pre-feasibility analysis will include consideration of the very extensive analysis undertaken for the Gold Coast Rapid Transit project, where a bus rapid transit option was compared to light rail. At the conclusion of that more…

 

monsman Comment 2.2.1 2 Feb 2012, 1:33 PM

As someone with considerable PM and rail experience, I agree with AMP. Unfortunately the way the SCRC has gone about promoting this project is very misleading, i.e. the decision to implement Light Rail being a fait accompli. Also promoting it as ‘Light Rail 2020’ is misleading to any rational thinker as the time frame is illogical.

Also, there hasn’t been any discussion about a business model [especially in light of the history for BOOT and PPP’s projects] which needs to form part of the strategy development phase.

Project Administrator Comment 2.2.1.1 Project Manager 24 Feb 2012, 10:33 AM

Alternatives technologies to light rail are being considered as part of the pre-feasibility study process. A full range of delivery options including those incorporating best practice private financing options are also being considered.

JRC Comment 3 6 Jan 2012, 4:46 PM

The question isn't 'if', but 'when'. Oil production has already peaked. Light rail should have been introduced to the coast a decade ago. Heavy rail would be even better. The coast certaily has the population to warrant it. It is insanity to be pouring hundreds of millions into road making when petrol/diesel prices are going to rise very steeply in the not-to-distant future.

StanGage Comment 4 6 Jan 2012, 6:48 PM

Light rail becomes viable once the population reaches 500,000.

Our population is expected to reach 500,000 in 2031. That's 20 years!

Until then, we need to improve the bus network - fast, convenient, regular.

We will still need the bus network even after light rail is built to take the passengers to their final destinations.

So for the next 20 years, we need to improve the buses. They are the only form of public transport that we have on the coast.

sunny Comment 4.1 7 Jan 2012, 4:39 AM

I support light rail and believe we should be planning and preparing right now. Ideally the planning process will extend to include a connected public transport system. Go for it. It is better to plan now than sit back and for 2031.

karmaldan Comment 5 7 Jan 2012, 8:54 AM

I live in Tewantin. There's no mention of the light rail including the northern end of the Sunshine coast which is a shame. I would have like to have seen it cover this area right down to Caloundra. Just to get to Brisbane via rail is a pain as I have to drive to Nambour if I want a return trip. So a light rail does not have any benefits for us up here.

Light Rail 2020 Project Team Comment 5.1 Project Staff 10 Jan 2012, 8:53 AM

Just where the light rail service will operate on the Sunshine Coast will be part of the feasibility planning. Some areas of the Sunshine Coast don’t have the population to sustain light or heavy rail, nor the environment to suit its accompanying infrastructure. That may change in the future. The proposed stage one corridor for light rail will most likely be Maroochydore to Caloundra however this will have a flow on affect to the whole Sunshine Coast with better public transport services across the entire region. Light rail is like a ‘spine’ and will be supported by more bus services, modified routes and better connections which will reduce travel times to areas not directly serviced by a light rail service.

fruitforest Comment 6 7 Jan 2012, 12:32 PM

It is not tram that is important but a dedicated transport route that is fast and efficient with very frequent bus/trams so you can just go along and know you will be picked up within 10mins or 15mins so don't need to worry about timetables. It needs to be almost as quick and easy as using a car, and certainly cheaper if travelling alone or with one other person.

The great thing about trains is that the route and stops are very clear. For example in London I will always use theunderground rather than buses as it is so clear to see how to get from A to B

I have used a tram system in Manchester UK which is great as it is direct along an old rail route until it hits the city centre, when it goes along the streets. This is the ultimate solution when fitting a new system into an exiting town. On the SC there may be places where a dedicated route could exist in places, but in heavily developed areas the tram/bus could use the roads.

arcobelina Comment 7 7 Jan 2012, 5:14 PM

will light rail zigzag through the suburbs or just travel up nicklin way and the motorway?

the light rail will have to support the suburbs

Light Rail 2020 Project Team Comment 7.1 Project Staff 10 Jan 2012, 8:47 AM

In this stage of feasibility planning the fine detail of routes has not been established. The chosen corridors and exact location of services will be based on potential demand, surrounding land use and environment, and practical considerations such as location of stations and stops, physical barriers, such as winding roads, hills, rivers etc.

Light rail is considered a ‘spine’ to an overall public transport system and yes in many areas it is more likely to operate on main roads such as Nicklin Way. However, the point of improving public transport and introducing light rail is to make it accessible and to generate patronage, so while it may not ‘zig zag’ through small side streets like a bus, it would service popular major residential, business and retail precincts. It would also be supported by more bus services, modified routes and better connections which will reduce travel times to areas not directly serviced by a light rail service.

hailrail Comment 8 7 Jan 2012, 7:50 PM

I fully support the introduction of light rail to the Coast. I would be a regular user of it - probably daily, depending on work/living arrangements. But it needs to be better set up and managed than our current bus network. The key pillars of success of any of the world's excellent public transport systems are: efficiency, cost-effectiveness, reliability and flexibility in response to changing passenger needs. I would argue the buses currently don't tick any of those boxes.

Excuse my ignorance, but how is light rail powered? Is solar an option? I have always thought our buses should run on solar generated power (reducing fuel costs and therefore ticket prices). I mean, this is the Sunshine Coast...we have a fair bit of sunshine, right?

latitude26 Comment 9 9 Jan 2012, 12:23 PM

Yes, though if we are thinking of this at all, we need to consider the whole coast right up to Noosa/Tewantin. Australian culture is been totally focussed on the car as the primary mode of transport especially in lower density regional areas. I'm not sure if i would benefit that much due to the likley 20+years until it is operational but my children might and their children ........ WE NEED STRONG POLITICIANS WHO THINK BIG PICTURE!

Free2B Comment 9.1 14 Feb 2012, 11:12 AM

Exactly - all politicians, particularly those in a region which is moving from a village to a regional context MUST be "Big Picture" people. Parochial loyalists and single issue bandwagon thumpers will not lead the Sunshine Coast to a positive future for all aspects of life - quality of living, employment, environmental responsibility, mobility, affordability, etc. We are a region of only around 300K people - a small city in world terms. We need only ONE major central CBD and sports and cultural and health hubs with affordable (for the users), frequent (max 20 minute wait time) and efficient (max 5 minute delay) public transport connections to the Coast's suburban villages (from Pomona to Beerwah to Maleny). Now is the time to get this network sorted, before the cost of land acquisition becomes prohibitive and the best routes are downgraded to "this will do".

Get the plan and routes and land acquisition sorted NOW and establish the key hubs, then add the routes (bus then light rail) as funds permit.

mudsec Comment 10 11 Jan 2012, 1:56 PM

I am in favour of planning for the city of the future having an advanced public transport system. Fast connection from the airport and also from intrastate rail services is essential. The trick is, putting value in the appropriate places, by having the right mix of transport services. Buses certainly serve a purpose here and will also become greener with new technologies. Light rail is the fastest and most comfortable medium, and would attract many travellers away from cars. My primary wish in this regard, is having a light rail connection to Nambour and or Landsborough rail Stations, to provide through services to other Queensland cities.

trigger Comment 10.1 7 Feb 2012, 9:55 AM

Trigger,

That is how it is done in Scandinavia. Travel by train to the centre of the city and then either catch a tram or bus to your final destination. Its so much easier than flying, the airports are along way out of town.

The trains are fast and quiet.

The tram is waiting when yu arrive, its a bit slow but moves a lot of people.

But if you are going to one of the new close suburbs you catch the bus.

Or one of the new satelite outer suburbs (Caloundra South etc) you catch another fast quiet train. Its all to easy.

jachar64 Comment 10.1.1 29 Apr 2012, 8:05 PM

If only Australia did 1/10th of the planning for the future that Scandinavia does *sigh*

phonehunter Comment 11 11 Jan 2012, 2:37 PM

Whatever the outcome, the system should be a tourist attraction in its own right. Much like Kuranda's sky lift, it should be both practical and elegant solution.

judyo Comment 12 16 Jan 2012, 11:21 AM

I think that a light rail network would be a great asset to the Sunshine Coast, especially along the coastal strip, with extensions to inland towns as needed. The beauty of light rail is the ability to extend the network as needed, once the initial lines are set up. It is a quick and flexible system. I remember when it is initially set up in San Diego, California, and started with two lines, which were eventually extended over a period of a few years to a reasonably large network. It was very popular, efficient, and cheap to travel on.

Elisa Comment 13 17 Jan 2012, 7:51 AM

Transport on the Sunshine Coast is more than just a joke now. This is a serious issue that needs to be acted on now before our state of transport terminally cripples the future of our beautiful region. The light rail is the environmentally responsible answer to our transport woes while protecting the ecology of the coast. The light rail will bring more students to the region and importantly will be the reason why we retain those students once they graduate where at the moment we are losing many of our most talented graduates to the cities because of lack of infrastructure. Transport is the crux of any successful town or city. A rapidly growing destination needs to have the support of an innovative council and community in order to sustain and profit from that growth. The potential positive impact the light rail will have on local tourism is enormous. If the light rail does not go ahead as proposed I for one will be bitterly disappointed with my community and disheartened with what future of the Sunshine Coast holds for me.

bsquared Comment 14 17 Jan 2012, 1:03 PM

I am a mechanical engineer involved in the design, manufacture, testing and maintenance of railway rolling stock and appreciate the value of light rail. However the Sunshine Coast is lacking in the one most important link to the outside world of transport and that is the much mooted but undelivered CAMCOS. This is more important than a localised light rail system and should be in situ before any light rail system is implemented. Moreover the light rail route must not interfere with the CAMCOC corridore in any way. If the light rail is to cross the CAMCOS corridore it must more…

 

monsman Comment 14.1 2 Feb 2012, 1:46 PM

Bsquared has valid and practical points. One only needs to look at the GCRT project where they have considered connecting the current phase with the Gold Coast – Brisbane rail. This may now happen at Helensvale as part of the Commonwealth Game success.

I agree that the biggest costs are easement and rolling stock. Concentrating on easement is paramount as there is flexibility regarding rolling stock/buses.

Joe Riba Comment 14.2 7 Feb 2012, 12:16 PM

I agree. CAMCOS is essential, as is a connection with it.

I also agree that making sure that land is reserved is the priority.

How would a system that runs through the Hinterland be funded? It would require more track but would it also require more rolling stock so that timetables are workable?

I would be intersted to hear if people in the Hinterland would use light rail.

Project Administrator Comment 14.3 Project Manager 24 Feb 2012, 10:40 AM

The proposed light rail is planned to connect with the future sunshine coast rail line from Beerwah to Maroochydore. It is not a replacement for the rail service to Brisbane. Council is currently planning the light trail project, while the sunshine coast rail line (previously known as CAMCOS) remains a Queensland Government project.

A loop system for light rail transport is not being considered. The service would provide a spine connecting the major destinations along the more intensively developed coastal precincts. The hinterland towns will rely on bus connections to the light rail system.

dormouse Comment 15 19 Jan 2012, 3:41 PM

I used the light rail in Perth WA from the northern suburbs to the city over a period of seven years ..... and can only say it was a dismal FAILURE as parking anywhere near the stations was always completely unavailable regardless of time and day. As usual a good idea collapses with lack of serious planning for Park and Ride so count me out. I would much prefer a shorter more efficient direct service to Brisbane ..... once again, no parking is available at Landsborough or other stations serving the Sunshine Coast.

Ten years ago we arrived on the coast and there was talk of extended rail lines .... a case of too much talk and no action .... how many more expensive "studies" do we need?? Pardon my cynicism - in whose lifetime will we see progress ... our current newborns??

monsman Comment 15.1 2 Feb 2012, 1:53 PM

Dormouse, the WA line north of Perth is not a light rail and has parking restriction as it has been build between major roads. Not a reasonable comparison.

Having travelled to Brisbane from Landsborough and Palmwood, I would disagree about insufficient parking.

trigger Comment 15.2 7 Feb 2012, 10:07 AM

Trigger,

If the panning was done properly one should only have to walk a short distance to catch a bus to the light raikl staion. That is how it is in Scandinavia. People plan their day and know what time they have to leave home to get to work, do their shopping etc. We have relied to much on the car where planning for a trip is not so critical. But very soon it will be, because how many more cars can we fit on our roads before we have grid lock. One stupid accident by some one in a hurry and the whole road could be blocked for hours. People will just have to get used to planning their day and use public transport.

Project Administrator Comment 15.3 Project Manager 24 Feb 2012, 10:47 AM

The light rail is planned to connect with the future sunshine coast rail line from Beerwah to Maroochydore. It is not a replacement for the rail service to Brisbane. Council is currently planning the light trail project, while the sunshine coast rail line (previously known as CAMCOS) remains a Queensland Government project.

The northern suburbs railway in Perth is not a light rail but a regional commuter railway connecting the northern suburbs to Perth and the rest of the region. Light rail is a more local transit mode, is much lower impact and can mix with traffic in road corridors more…

 

Integrate Comment 16 7 Feb 2012, 10:02 AM

Light rail needs to be considered as part of a comprehensive integrated transport policy for the Sunshine Coast, not looked at as a stand alone solution. We need to be able to move efficiently not only within the Sunshine Coast, but to link the Sunshine Coast with a fast inter-city connection. It's pathetic that we can't get from the Sunshine Coast to Brisbane or to Brisbane Airport on public transport, unless we have half a day to do it, with several changes of bus and train on the way, and with poor connections between bus and train services.

And the Sunshine Coast integrated transport network needs to be part of a state and national transport network. Regional Queensland deserves to be better connected.

Joe Riba Comment 17 7 Feb 2012, 12:04 PM

There are some very good comments made and it is hard to disagree with many of them. However, I don't think that we always have to sacrafice one thing for another. The buses will need to improve and, light rail will be needed and, Camcos is also essential. These things do not need to be alternatives to each other. Image is very important for our region and the rail system should be used to boost our image. Our beaches are beautiful but we all know that this alone will not be enough to guarantee our lifestyle, environment and economy. There are many kilometeres of beach, and we can start with the Kawana strip which could become more of an attraction to tourists and locals if we could shrink the distance from population/tourist centres, and improve the visual appeal of Nicklin Way. I believe a light rail system would help prevent urban sprawl and boost our economy. The biggest single challenge is funding. Innovative solutions are needed. The coast needs big thinkers and the will to make this happen.

sunshine cove Comment 18 14 Feb 2012, 11:02 AM

Light rail will only work if it is not bogged down in official red tape either, State, Federal or Regional Council, therefore taking a generation or two to actually, no pun intended, 'get on the rails'.

Felix Comment 19 23 Feb 2012, 9:50 AM

Instead of implementing prestige projects to deal with the problems that unsustainable population growth will bring, let's nurture what's left of the serenity that sets this region apart from Brisbane and the Gold Coast. It's so easy to spoil and there's no way back, ever.

If you'd like to live in a crowded place with great public transport - there's an ever increasing choice of big cities around the world, but please let's cherish what we have here.

lisa Comment 20 23 Feb 2012, 10:39 AM

I do not understand the logic of creating yet another transport route (light rail) when the existing ones do NOT work. A rail trip from the Sunny Coast to Brisbane is over two hours, expensive and no guarantee of a seat. Why extend a system that desperately needs an overhaul?

Why not fix the existing rail network before creating another problem? Also, there is an existing bus network on the coast that is also ineffective.

Why not look at creating FREE bus services from major housing estates to local shopping areas with the purchase of $10 or more from the shops in question? This is the model used overseas very effectively. The shops benefit from increased trade and the bus services are actually used (most buses on the Sunshine Coast run empty or with only a few passengers).

Finally, the proposed light rail network would decimate areas of our natural coastline. Why would anyone want to ADD to the destruction of this beautiful place.

Here's an idea, why not resurrect the old cane train tracks (the land and network crisscrosses much of the coast) and use that instead??????

spinstopper Comment 21 23 Feb 2012, 2:16 PM

For a start we need to get the buses working properly now. The buses do not go where people want, take too long to get there, cost too much and are not suitable for grocery shopping.

At an estimated cost of 2 billion for light trams, that’s $6666 for every resident on the Sunshine Coast; it would be cheaper to buy everyone a motor scooter!

Why doesn’t the council pressure the State government to build the Coastal rail line earlier? That would increase public transport along the growth corridor as well as to Brisbane and not cost ratepayers a cent. Buses can then link to the trains just like Brisbane.

Finally let’s not forget the overhead powerlines these trams need to run, they are not very attractive.

HMM Comment 22 10 Mar 2012, 9:54 AM

I strongly believe in a light rail system if it is extended to Noosa to make the whole coast accessible. Also it needs to be integrated with improved bus and train services to enable locals and tourists alike to travel the coast easily, and get to the Sunshine Coast and Brisbane Airports without the frustrating and time consuming mix of transport currently required.

lisa Comment 23 14 Mar 2012, 8:32 AM

Again, I'd like to highlight the dire situation we already face at a State level with rail? Why create new links when the existing ones don't work?

http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/story/2012/03/14/push-for-basket-case-rail-spending/

I understand light rail is to be for the Coast, but visitors from Brisbane would have to travel for hour and hours to get to Noosa from Brisbane because of the terrible connection.

jachar64 Comment 23.1 29 Apr 2012, 8:19 PM

Because a new link would assist the previous ones to function. A spine of light rail along the most densely populated coastal areas would free up the Bus network from having to drive through the most congested roads in the region. Also I'd like to know where this 'hours and hours' figure has come from, once in Nambour or Maroochydore it is an approximate one hour trip by bus

Joe Riba Comment 24 21 Mar 2012, 9:36 PM

The debate about whether light rail will work cannot be separated from a discussion about density. Is the administrator of this site intending to open that discussion? In the long term the only choice for the coast is an increase in density or a continuing urban sprawl. Should we get this debate out in the open? What kind of city are we creating for future generations? Increased density in nodes along an intended rail line will greatly increase the prospect of success. Is Urban Sprawl more desirable?

Project Administrator Comment 24.1 Project Manager 26 Mar 2012, 12:18 PM

Hi Joe,

The formal consideration of policy to establish development location and density is of course best held during the formulation of and public discussions on new town planning schemes and structure plans. Public consultation on these planning changes is mandatory and occurs at appropriate phases of the town planning process.

The focus of the light rail project is however very much on the broader outcomes it can support in the community, including:

• reducing car dependence

• encouraging forms of urban development that provide a range of non-car dependant lifestyles

• creating tourism friendly transport options

All of these points convey a theme for the light more…

 

Joe Riba Comment 24.1.1 26 Mar 2012, 1:22 PM

Great to hear that ideas about TOD may be discussed later this year. As you say the light rail system is all about the structure of the urban environment. Buses do not transform the environment because the bus route can change over night. The greatest benefit of light rail is that it can transform the urban environment for the better. I do not see evidence that people understand this. Once the penny drops how will people react? I am concerned that people say "no" to what they do not understand. A public understanding needs to be developed, over an extended period, of the kind of beneficial urban changes that may be produced.

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